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THOMAS MASSIE: Let's get
back to the science of it.

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JOHN KERRY: But
it's not science.

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You're not quoting science.

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THOMAS MASSIE: Well,
you're the science expert.

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You've got the political
science degree.

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Secretary Kerry, I want to
read part of your statement

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back to you.

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"Instead of convening
a kangaroo court,

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the president might want to
talk with the educated adults

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he wants trusted to fill his top
national security positions."

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It sounds like you're
questioning the credentials

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of the president's
advisors currently,

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but I don't think
we should question

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your credentials today.

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Isn't it true you have a
science degree from Yale?

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What's that?

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JOHN KERRY: Bachelor
of Arts degree.

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THOMAS MASSIE: Is it a
political science degree?

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JOHN KERRY: Yes,
political science.

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THOMAS MASSIE: So
how do you get--

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JOHN KERRY: To my regret.

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THOMAS MASSIE: --a Bachelor
of Arts in a science?

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JOHN KERRY: Well, it's liberal
arts education and degree.

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It's a bachelor.

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THOMAS MASSIE: OK, so
it's not really science.

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So I think it's somewhat
appropriate that somebody

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with a pseudoscience
degree is here

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pushing pseudoscience in
front of our committee today.

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I want to ask you--

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JOHN KERRY: Are you serious?

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I mean, this is really a
serious happening here?

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THOMAS MASSIE: --you know what?

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It is serious.

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You're calling the president's
cabinet a kangaroo court.

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Is that serious?

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JOHN KERRY: I'm not calling
his cabinet a kangaroo court,

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I'm calling this committee
that he's putting

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together a kangaroo committee.

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THOMAS MASSIE: What-- are
you saying that he doesn't

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have educated adults there now?

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JOHN KERRY: I don't know who
it has yet because it's secret.

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THOMAS MASSIE: Well, you
said it in your testimony--

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JOHN KERRY: Why would he have
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of climate change?

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THOMAS MASSIE:
--let me ask you--

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JOHN KERRY: Why does the
president need to keep--

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THOMAS MASSIE:
--let's get back--

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JOHN KERRY: --to keep it secret?

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THOMAS MASSIE: --to
the science of it.

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Let's get back to
the science of it.

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Look, let me ask you this.

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What's the consensus on
parts per million of CO2

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in the atmosphere?

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JOHN KERRY: About
406, 406 today.

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THOMAS MASSIE: OK, 406.

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Are you aware that--

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JOHN KERRY: 350 being the
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is dangerous.

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THOMAS MASSIE: --OK.

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Are you aware--

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350 is dangerous.

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Wow.

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Are you aware that, since
mammals have walked the planet,

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the average has been over
1,000 parts per million?

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JOHN KERRY: Yeah, but we
weren't walking the planet.

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It's-- let me just share with
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definitively at no
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the past 800,000 years
has atmospheric CO2

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been as high as it is today.

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THOMAS MASSIE: You go back--

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JOHN KERRY: When I was
in the South Pole--

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when I was-- I wasn't
in the South Pole,

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when I was in McMurdo, we
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Pole because of the weather.

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But I was given a vial of air
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in the world."

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It was 401.6 parts per million.

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That is 50 parts per
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scientists say is acceptable.

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THOMAS MASSIE: --the
reason you chose

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800,000 years ago
is because, for 200

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million years before that, it
was greater than it is today.

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And I'm gonna say
for the record--

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JOHN KERRY: Yeah, but
there weren't human beings.

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I mean, that was a
different world, folks.

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We didn't have seven
billion people living yet.

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THOMAS MASSIE: --so how'd it
get to 2,000 parts per million

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if we humans weren't here?

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JOHN KERRY: Because
there were all kinds

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of geologic events happening
on Earth which spewed up--

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THOMAS MASSIE: Did geology
stop when we got on the planet?

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JOHN KERRY: --Mr. Chairman, I--

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this is just not a
serious conversation.

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THOMAS MASSIE: Your
testimony is not serious.

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[LAUGHTER]

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When you can't-- when you
can't answer the question,

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that's the best answer you got.

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JOHN KERRY: I did answer it.

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THOMAS MASSIE: I--

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