1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,800 2 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:02,340 ALICIA RODIS: - I am an intimacy coordinator. 3 00:00:02,340 --> 00:00:03,412 - Intimacy expert. 4 00:00:03,412 --> 00:00:04,545 AIMEE LOU WOOD: Intimacy director. 5 00:00:04,545 --> 00:00:07,590 EMILY MEADE: I didn't know that an intimacy coordinator was even 6 00:00:07,590 --> 00:00:10,020 a job, which is sad and crazy. 7 00:00:10,020 --> 00:00:13,080 And I played a role in bringing one 8 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,400 on to "The Deuce" season two. 9 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,590 10 00:00:17,590 --> 00:00:20,370 CLAIRE WARDEN: I'd explain it, and the most 11 00:00:20,370 --> 00:00:22,460 common reaction to that was either, 12 00:00:22,460 --> 00:00:24,960 "Wait, we don't have that?" 13 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,070 Or, "Why haven't we had that up until now?" 14 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:29,170 NARRATOR: An intimacy coordinator 15 00:00:29,170 --> 00:00:32,430 steps into a scene to help actors choreograph physical 16 00:00:32,430 --> 00:00:34,420 and emotional intimacy. 17 00:00:34,420 --> 00:00:37,470 So that includes having conversations about boundaries, 18 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:40,650 about how their characters may express love or lust, 19 00:00:40,650 --> 00:00:43,447 and making sure that there's both chemistry and consent. 20 00:00:43,447 --> 00:00:44,880 TENIECE JOHNSON: So if you're doing stunts, 21 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,210 you're not just going to go in there and improv something, 22 00:00:47,210 --> 00:00:48,270 because safety is involved. 23 00:00:48,270 --> 00:00:50,880 The same thing is involved in scenes for intimacy, 24 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,330 if not more so. 25 00:00:52,330 --> 00:00:54,120 NARRATOR: And while the women at Intimacy Directors 26 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,370 International have been doing it in theater productions 27 00:00:56,370 --> 00:00:59,130 for the last 15 years, Hollywood is just 28 00:00:59,130 --> 00:01:01,200 getting on board, thanks to one actress 29 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,790 who helped change everything. 30 00:01:02,790 --> 00:01:04,260 - I'm trying to do my job here. 31 00:01:04,260 --> 00:01:05,730 NARRATOR: That's Emily Meade. 32 00:01:05,730 --> 00:01:08,220 She stars in HBO's "The Deuce," a show about sex 33 00:01:08,220 --> 00:01:10,260 workers in 1970s New York. 34 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:12,870 - After this, they're all gonna want me. 35 00:01:12,870 --> 00:01:14,100 NARRATOR: After shooting season one, 36 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:16,200 she was ready for some change. 37 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,210 EMILY MEADE: It just so happened when we were entering 38 00:01:18,210 --> 00:01:20,070 season two everything with #MeToo 39 00:01:20,070 --> 00:01:23,364 and Time's Up started to explode. 40 00:01:23,364 --> 00:01:24,570 CROWD: Time's up! 41 00:01:24,570 --> 00:01:27,810 EMILY MEADE: It did make me start to think about what 42 00:01:27,810 --> 00:01:31,500 ways I have felt uncomfortable or perpetuated 43 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,450 these things not changing or these boundaries 44 00:01:33,450 --> 00:01:35,547 not being respected. 45 00:01:35,547 --> 00:01:36,780 NARRATOR: So she got the ball rolling 46 00:01:36,780 --> 00:01:38,250 with support from veteran actress 47 00:01:38,250 --> 00:01:39,900 and co-star Maggie Gyllenhaal. 48 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:41,880 MAGGIE GYLLENHAAL: On "The Deuce," where there's so much 49 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:48,090 sex, we -- a group of us together -- created this new job 50 00:01:48,090 --> 00:01:49,745 of an intimacy expert. 51 00:01:49,745 --> 00:01:52,080 EMILY MEADE: I just went to HBO and the producers of the show 52 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,400 and asked for somebody to be there to sort of, oversee 53 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,330 and liaise on the communication and just, the sex scene, 54 00:02:00,330 --> 00:02:03,210 and be there purely to protect and oversee that. 55 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:05,520 ALICIA RODIS: So, you know, my first interview, I sat down 56 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,230 and all the executive producers were there. 57 00:02:07,230 --> 00:02:09,669 And they all just look at -- and legal is there -- 58 00:02:09,669 --> 00:02:11,430 and they look at me like I'm a fae creature, 59 00:02:11,430 --> 00:02:14,400 and are like, "So, how does this work?" 60 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,370 It was just like any other interview, 61 00:02:16,370 --> 00:02:18,230 except they were interviewing for a position 62 00:02:18,230 --> 00:02:19,940 that they had never hired before. 63 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:21,250 - What do you think that need is? 64 00:02:21,250 --> 00:02:23,600 ALICIA RODIS: That-- oh, that need is the cultural crisis 65 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:24,860 we're in right now. 66 00:02:24,860 --> 00:02:28,340 That need is realizing that the way we have done it before 67 00:02:28,340 --> 00:02:30,450 is not good enough. 68 00:02:30,450 --> 00:02:32,010 TENIECE JOHNSON: In our culture of "yes," 69 00:02:32,010 --> 00:02:33,540 it's like following the director's 70 00:02:33,540 --> 00:02:35,820 voice from off in a distance. 71 00:02:35,820 --> 00:02:37,470 You hear it and you go. 72 00:02:37,470 --> 00:02:41,400 - Because if you say no, you're being difficult, or, "Well, 73 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,860 someone else will say yes, and we'll give them the job," 74 00:02:43,860 --> 00:02:47,550 or you'll get a reputation for, you know — or you're being a diva. 75 00:02:47,550 --> 00:02:50,520 NARRATOR: Take the 1972 film, "Last Tango in Paris." 76 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,110 It has a rape scene between Marlon 77 00:02:52,110 --> 00:02:53,910 Brando and Maria Schneider. 78 00:02:53,910 --> 00:02:56,820 And director Bernardo Bertolucci admitted something pretty 79 00:02:56,820 --> 00:02:58,620 disturbing about that scene. 80 00:02:58,620 --> 00:03:01,260 BERNARDO BERTOLUCCI: I've been, in a way, 81 00:03:01,260 --> 00:03:04,460 horrible to Maria, because I didn't 82 00:03:04,460 --> 00:03:06,930 tell her what was going on. 83 00:03:06,930 --> 00:03:12,663 Because I wanted her reaction as a girl, not as an actress. 84 00:03:12,663 --> 00:03:13,830 ALICIA RODIS: When people are like, 85 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:15,450 no, I just want it to be totally real. 86 00:03:15,450 --> 00:03:17,250 It's like, it's not a documentary. 87 00:03:17,250 --> 00:03:20,790 We're not there to shock someone into a performance. 88 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:22,390 - I got nominated! 89 00:03:22,390 --> 00:03:23,190 - For what? 90 00:03:23,190 --> 00:03:24,510 - Best Supporting Actress. 91 00:03:24,510 --> 00:03:27,690 EMILY MEADE: I had to simulate giving oral sex. 92 00:03:27,690 --> 00:03:29,290 I was afraid to actually do that. 93 00:03:29,290 --> 00:03:32,250 I was afraid to have those images of me existing. 94 00:03:32,250 --> 00:03:36,060 So, just to have Alicia to begin with, 95 00:03:36,060 --> 00:03:39,450 to very honestly and candidly talk to her 96 00:03:39,450 --> 00:03:41,560 about my fears about that. 97 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,100 And then on the day, she was there and watching the monitor, 98 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:45,900 making-- 99 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:48,630 reporting back to me what it looked like and how it felt. 100 00:03:48,630 --> 00:03:50,400 It wasn't even that Alicia changed 101 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:51,720 anything about the scene. 102 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,900 It was just talking about it and processing it and digesting it. 103 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:56,640 ALICIA RODIS: After #MeToo, people 104 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,670 are realizing they don't have to just go along with it, 105 00:03:59,670 --> 00:04:02,820 that they have a right to sovereignty of their bodies 106 00:04:02,820 --> 00:04:04,020 and their experiences. 107 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:06,300 ALICIA RODIS: And the idea that if there 108 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:10,270 is a part that's too painful or hurts, we are creatives. 109 00:04:10,270 --> 00:04:13,060 ALICIA RODIS: We can find some other way to tell that story 110 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:14,060 if you need to. 111 00:04:14,060 --> 00:04:15,120 TENIECE JOHNSON: You must. 112 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,120 So it's those clear boundaries that gives a performer 113 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,790 the freedom to act their part. 114 00:04:21,790 --> 00:04:23,350 NARRATOR: And that freedom paid off. 115 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:26,310 After "The Deuce," HBO extended its contract 116 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:28,890 so that any and every HBO production 117 00:04:28,890 --> 00:04:31,170 with an intimate scene must have an intimacy 118 00:04:31,170 --> 00:04:32,700 coordinator present. 119 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:34,410 How did that feel when you found that out? 120 00:04:34,410 --> 00:04:36,850 EMILY MEADE: It was the most proud moment of my life. 121 00:04:36,850 --> 00:04:38,760 And that sounds like I'm taking on all the credit. 122 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,530 And obviously there's so many, you know -- 123 00:04:40,530 --> 00:04:42,960 HBO and Alicia and the fact that there was intimacy 124 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,400 coordinators to begin with. 125 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,090 I feel proud and excited, and also excited 126 00:04:48,090 --> 00:04:50,730 for -- you know, once I leave "The Deuce," I'm 127 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:52,590 hoping that this can continue. And I'm 128 00:04:52,590 --> 00:04:54,630 guessing it's not going to be my last time ever 129 00:04:54,630 --> 00:04:55,953 having sexuality on a show. 130 00:04:55,953 --> 00:04:57,120 NARRATOR: And even people who might 131 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,310 not want an intimacy director say they can see the benefits. 132 00:05:00,310 --> 00:05:02,010 MAGGIE GYLLENHAAL: I don't actually, at this point, 133 00:05:02,010 --> 00:05:03,480 want another voice in my ear. 134 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,660 But I want that for the people who are starting out. 135 00:05:06,660 --> 00:05:08,970 NARRATOR: People like the young, mostly-newcomer cast 136 00:05:08,970 --> 00:05:11,100 of the Netflix show, "Sex Education." 137 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:12,600 - Did you just fake it? 138 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,000 AIMEE LOU WOOD: So we had a workshop 139 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,220 with an intimacy director. 140 00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:19,010 ALICIA RODIS: What's beautiful about this movement 141 00:05:19,010 --> 00:05:20,310 and what we're trying to really put out 142 00:05:20,310 --> 00:05:24,570 there is that we are bringing this out there with generosity 143 00:05:24,570 --> 00:05:25,950 and with openness 144 00:05:25,950 --> 00:05:28,260 that we can help. 145 00:05:28,260 --> 00:05:30,030 All of those things that may have gone 146 00:05:30,030 --> 00:05:33,450 unsaid -- we have specifically trained ourselves 147 00:05:33,450 --> 00:05:36,630 to have those conversations and to do the work, 148 00:05:36,630 --> 00:05:38,460 so that if you don't have the language for it, 149 00:05:38,460 --> 00:05:41,000 we've got language for you. 150 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,573