1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,550 MATT CARTWRIGHT: I have understood for quite some time 2 00:00:02,550 --> 00:00:06,750 now that there are those in this country whose favorite pastime 3 00:00:06,750 --> 00:00:10,290 is attacking health care. 4 00:00:10,290 --> 00:00:12,980 But your decision as our new attorney general 5 00:00:12,980 --> 00:00:16,370 to throw the weight of the United States Department 6 00:00:16,370 --> 00:00:21,980 of Justice behind an effort to get the federal courts entirely 7 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:25,400 to invalidate the Patient Protection 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,030 and Affordable Care Act as unconstitutional 9 00:00:29,030 --> 00:00:29,990 is breathtaking. 10 00:00:29,990 --> 00:00:32,900 11 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:35,440 It's-- it's-- it's unbelievable. 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,130 It stands out, your decision does, for its breadth, 13 00:00:39,130 --> 00:00:46,410 its scope, its recklessness, and its lack of legal justification 14 00:00:46,410 --> 00:00:48,810 to invalidate the Patient Protection 15 00:00:48,810 --> 00:00:49,950 and Affordable Care Act. 16 00:00:49,950 --> 00:00:53,400 If your efforts are successful, millions of Americans 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,810 would lose their health care. 18 00:00:54,810 --> 00:00:57,990 Tens of millions of Americans would see the premiums 19 00:00:57,990 --> 00:00:59,700 for their coverage skyrocket. 20 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:03,480 The Department of Justice's refusal to defend our law, 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,000 the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,160 is distressing because of the harm 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,430 that it poses to the physical and financial well-being 24 00:01:11,430 --> 00:01:13,710 of millions of Americans. 25 00:01:13,710 --> 00:01:17,520 And also because DOJ's refusal appears 26 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,430 to be driven by political considerations 27 00:01:20,430 --> 00:01:23,550 rather than health care policy discussions 28 00:01:23,550 --> 00:01:25,170 or sound legal arguments. 29 00:01:25,170 --> 00:01:28,320 Attorney General Barr, you're not a health care policy 30 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:31,290 expert, but your department is taking the lead 31 00:01:31,290 --> 00:01:35,190 on attempting a massive overhaul of our American health care 32 00:01:35,190 --> 00:01:36,130 system. 33 00:01:36,130 --> 00:01:40,070 So I want to make sure we agree on a few of the top line facts, 34 00:01:40,070 --> 00:01:41,700 and let's go through a couple of quick yes 35 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:43,530 or no questions at the outset. 36 00:01:43,530 --> 00:01:47,220 Number one, have you conducted or viewed an analysis 37 00:01:47,220 --> 00:01:51,600 to evaluate the effects of DOJ's litigation position 38 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,900 to overturn the ACA? 39 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:57,930 The effects on consumer costs and coverage-- 40 00:01:57,930 --> 00:02:01,390 have you done that analysis or have you reviewed one? 41 00:02:01,390 --> 00:02:02,590 WILLIAM BARR: Well, when we're faced 42 00:02:02,590 --> 00:02:06,747 with a legal question we try to base our answer on the law. 43 00:02:06,747 --> 00:02:07,680 MATT CARTWRIGHT: On the law. 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:08,930 So the answer is no. 45 00:02:08,930 --> 00:02:10,090 And here's the thing. 46 00:02:10,090 --> 00:02:12,940 I can't imagine that you would take 47 00:02:12,940 --> 00:02:16,000 that kind of a dramatic, drastic action 48 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,450 without even trying to evaluate the consequences 49 00:02:19,450 --> 00:02:21,080 for the American consumers. 50 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,860 The people using the health care. 51 00:02:22,860 --> 00:02:25,890 The people for whom these premiums are paid. 52 00:02:25,890 --> 00:02:26,950 Let's start the process-- 53 00:02:26,950 --> 00:02:28,300 WILLIAM BARR: If you mean in the event-- 54 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:28,930 [INTERPOSING VOICES] 55 00:02:28,930 --> 00:02:30,830 MATT CARTWRIGHT: --successful in this lawsuit that you're 56 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:33,610 supporting and the entire Patient Protection 57 00:02:33,610 --> 00:02:36,790 and Affordable Care Act is struck down, 58 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:39,640 millions of Americans who currently receive health 59 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:42,610 insurance coverage under the law are at risk 60 00:02:42,610 --> 00:02:44,050 of losing that coverage. 61 00:02:44,050 --> 00:02:45,790 Am I correct in that? 62 00:02:45,790 --> 00:02:47,890 WILLIAM BARR: I think the president has made clear 63 00:02:47,890 --> 00:02:51,100 that he favors not only pre-existing conditions 64 00:02:51,100 --> 00:02:57,620 but would like action on a broad health plan. 65 00:02:57,620 --> 00:03:00,077 So he is proposing a substitute for Obamacare. 66 00:03:00,077 --> 00:03:01,310 MATT CARTWRIGHT: The one that's going 67 00:03:01,310 --> 00:03:03,937 to come after the next election you mean. 68 00:03:03,937 --> 00:03:05,770 WILLIAM BARR: The one that will come down if and when-- 69 00:03:05,770 --> 00:03:07,930 MATT CARTWRIGHT: Well, let me be the one to inform you. 70 00:03:07,930 --> 00:03:10,120 Should the law be struck down, millions 71 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,840 of people who get their coverage through the ACA Marketplace 72 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,570 would lose their coverage, and tens of millions 73 00:03:16,570 --> 00:03:21,430 more would see their premiums skyrocket. 74 00:03:21,430 --> 00:03:24,570 In addition, if you're successful, 75 00:03:24,570 --> 00:03:29,050 12 million people nationally and 750,000 people in my home state 76 00:03:29,050 --> 00:03:30,760 of Pennsylvania, who have coverage 77 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,100 under the Medicaid expansion, would 78 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:35,260 also likely lose that coverage. 79 00:03:35,260 --> 00:03:37,390 Am I correct in that, sir? 80 00:03:37,390 --> 00:03:40,800 WILLIAM BARR: Do you think it's likely we are going to prevail? 81 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,090 MATT CARTWRIGHT: If you prevail-- 82 00:03:42,090 --> 00:03:45,000 well, you're devoting scarce resources 83 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,920 of your department toward that effort, 84 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,230 are you not, Attorney General? 85 00:03:49,230 --> 00:03:50,500 WILLIAM BARR: We're in litigation. 86 00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:51,450 We have to take a position-- 87 00:03:51,450 --> 00:03:52,350 MATT CARTWRIGHT: The answer is yes. 88 00:03:52,350 --> 00:03:53,850 WILLIAM BARR: We take position in litigation-- 89 00:03:53,850 --> 00:03:55,617 MATT CARTWRIGHT: You're trying to get it invalidated. 90 00:03:55,617 --> 00:03:57,840 And if you succeed, that many people will lose their coverage 91 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,640 nationally from Medicaid and 750,000 from Pennsylvania 92 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:03,590 alone, right? 93 00:04:03,590 --> 00:04:05,190 WILLIAM BARR: I'm just saying, that if you think 94 00:04:05,190 --> 00:04:06,780 it's such an outrageous position you 95 00:04:06,780 --> 00:04:08,970 have nothing to worry about. 96 00:04:08,970 --> 00:04:11,420 Let the courts do their job. 97 00:04:11,420 --> 00:04:14,228